Giants Deal Ramon Ramirez and Andres Torres to the Mets for Angel Pagan

The Giants have made their first move of the 2011 Winter Meetings as they have agreed to send CF Andres Torres and RP Ramon Ramirez to the New York Mets for CF Angel Pagan.  This seems to be a great deal for the Giants, as they traded a good relief arm, which they are over-flowing with, and a soon to be 34-year-old CF, who the were going to non-tender anyways, for the 30-year old CF, Angel Pagan.

Torres was completely overmatched at the plate in 2011 (.221/.312/.330), showing that his amazing and inspirational 2010 season was most likely a fluke.  Torres began showing his age last season, as leg and foot injuries limited his time on the field.  With the November addition of Melky Cabrera, Torres became a candidate to be non-tendered, thus making this essentially a Ramirez for Pagan swap.

Ramon Ramiez was very good out of the pen during his year-and-a-half stint in San Francisco.  He posted outstanding numbers last season, boasting a 2.62 ERA and 1.17 WHIP, with 66 strikeouts in 68.2 innings pitched.  Ramirez is very durable, but seems to be more comfortable as a 7th inning guy.  Ramirez is still young enough where he can be of value to the Mets, but with the Giants committing serious money to Affelt and Lopez, and Heath Hembre being close to taking over a prominent bullpen role in the bigs, the Giants did not want to pay upwards of $3 million to retain Ramirez in 2012.

By bringing in Angel Pagan, who like Torres is a switch hitter, the Giants fill some of their major needs.  They obtain a starting CF and potential leadoff hitter, which allows Melky Cabrera to slide over to RF. and bat in the lower half in the lineup. which should really help the Giants.  Pagan also fills a huge void on the bases (32 SB in 2011), where the Giants ranked 24th in the Majors last year with only 85 stolen bases as a team.  This move also makes sense, as like Cabrera, Pagan is in his last year of team control and will not block top prospect, Gary Brown (CF).  This will give the Giants a chance to give Cabrera and Pagan a one-year look, and a chance to offer one of them a contract offer to play RF in 2013 (and possibly beyond), if they choose they are worthy.

This seems like a great move for the Giants, as they have improved their offense, team speed, and defense, without giving up a major piece of their organization.

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14 thoughts on “Giants Deal Ramon Ramirez and Andres Torres to the Mets for Angel Pagan

  1. Everyone seems to forget about Pill.He looked good at the plate,certainly more disciplined than Belt.I hope they give him a good chance.
    Now, if they could sign Beltran,you would have quite a lineup.That has to be the worst trade of the year giving away Wheeler for a one month rental.

    • Pill is not close to as disciplined as Belt, as is witnessed by their career OBP minor league OBP and BB totals. Pill is more of a RH bat off the bench to face lefties in my opinion. Pill is 27, and pretty much is what he is going to be. Belt is much younger and still isn’t even close to as good as he will be in his prime. Boch needs to let Belt play though. FREE BELT.

  2. AS A FORMER NEW YORK MET FAN,I KNOW THAT SF FANS WILL BE VERY PLEASED WITH THIS TRADE.PAGAN DID HAVE A SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTING YEAR,BUT HE WAS NEVER TERRIBLE AND THE YEAR BEFORE HE WAS CONSIDERED THE METS MOST CONSISTENT AND MVP OF THE TEAM EVEN AHEAD OF REYES. HE ALSO CAN PLAY AND DID PLAY ALL OUTFIELD POSITIONS WELL. I WOULD BET THAT THE MAJORITY OF HIS ERRORS CAME AFTER BELTRAN LEFT AS HE OFTEN HAD NO IDEA WHO WOULD BE JOINING HIM IN THE OUTFIELD. UNFORTUNATELY,BECAUSE THE METS DID NOT WANT TO PAY HIM MORE MONEY,,HE GOT DUMPED/TRADED HE HAS BEEN FRANKLY THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY THE MET SPORTWRITERS
    GO ANGEL,GO GIANTS.FROM A EX MET NOW GIANT FAN.

  3. Pagan is a guy that can hit for a little higher AVG and is a better baserunner than Torres, but according to all those familiar with him, we definitely did not improve on defense. He’s known for mental errors — missing cutoff men, not knowing the situation, etc.

  4. I agree that Torres was gone irregardless. Pagan is a better hitter than Andres, but he had the 2nd most errors for an OF in the NL. He was 2nd in the NL in Defensive WAR (2.2) in 2010, so perhaps his poor defensive showing was due to his oblique injury. Mets fans claim Angel did not like batting lead-off, and that he often threw to the wrong base. Ramon Ramirez will definitely be missed. Perhaps this means Guillermo Mota will be offered a contract.

    • I believe some of those errors were due to poor relay throws. I have heard numerous concerns about Pagan’s baseball IQ. Hope the Giants coaching staff can help that, as the dude is one heck of an athlete.

  5. Seems like a good move to me. Angel Pagan has been consistent. He ain’t a HOFer, especially in CF, but he has a lot of upside at the plate and on the bases. Torres is a mystery; similar player to Angel P in a lot of ways, but 3+ years older, and apparently at his prime and gone in a year. Some injuries hurt Torres batting RH in 2011, but still he wasn’t a balanced switch hitter. Pagan, again, by contrast, offers consistency there. Pagan’s definitely good from both sides of the plate.

    The OF signings seem to suggest they’ve given up on Beltran. Too bad. I would like to see yet another switch hitter in the LU, and a great one at that, with Angel P., Melkey C. and Pablo. Ah, well.

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